Added: Nov 22, 2008
From: ElderJoseph
Duration: 4:6
I've redone this video.The Millenial Star Quote is actually on page 74 and not 73 as stated in my video. I found the original Millenial Star on the BYU website and scanned images of it at the end of the video to prove the FACTS contained which LDS members like Mr Nirom can't stand being revealed to the public. Cultists behave this way unfortunately.Truth hurts them.They can't help it I guess, thats what brainwashing does to you.See his petty comical response to the original video.http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cXiF6Naf5LM&feature=userIn D&C section 101:4 it was stated: "Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication, and polygamy: we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife; and one woman, but one husband, except in the case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again." This section was printed in every edition of the Doctrine and Covenants until the year 1876 and quoted by The Lying deceiving polygamist leaders.The LDS church Ledaers revised their own scriptures and history to suit their needs at the time. By 1876, the LDS Church had to revise their so called canon so that polygamy could have full scriptural justification. So that former "Section 101" (1835 edition), was completely different than the one they publish now. Google Books also has a copy of the 1852 Doctrine and Covenants which also has the deceptive canonised scripture.http://books.google.com/books?id=jWUoAAAAYAAJ&dq=doctrine+and+covenants&lr=&source=gbs_summary_s&cad=0In there, this "passage" is re-numbered as section 104(but still on verse 4).It's on page 331 in this D&C or go to the pdf version on page 366.It's a breathtaking display of utter contempt, deception and total disrespect for the public, fellow ordinary church members and especially potential converts and unsuspecting females.The early LDS church lied about polygamy. Joseph Smith started practicing polygamy secretly, first with teenage house maid Fanny Alger and later with many young house maids including sister combinations and also 14 year old Helen Mar Kimball. He married 11 already married women as well. He proposed marriage to Orson Pratt's wife Sarah while her husband was away on a mission. She rightfully refused. However her Husband, 'supposed Apostle' Orson Pratt went on to be a polygamist himself marrying girls as young as 16 at aged 57 and conceiving with them at once.This is only the beginning. The whole thing is one of the most despicable tyrannical episodes in LDS history you can come across. Look into it and it will make you Physically Sick.Ive been informed by 'birreantum' ( you tuber) that Parley P Pratt was the Writer of the Millenial Star and he wasn't a Polygamist until 1 year later, suggesting that he didn't know himself and was being deceived by his own leadership back In Nauvoo. However Arza Evans in his book The Keystome Of Mormonism claims on page 142that Parley P.Pratt was taught the principle of Polygamy in 1841 ( a year before Parley printed the denial in Millenial Star) and cites B H Roberts 'Copmrehensive History Of The Church Vol 2 page 100-102.Some good Links on Polygamy are http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/http://www.familysearch.org (official LDS website where you can confirm everything.http://www.i4m.com/think/polygamy/teen_polygamy.htmFor Mormon Lying http://packham.n4m.org/lying.htmFor Real Mormon Historyhttp://www.realmormonhistory.com/For 20 Truths About Mormonismhttp://trialsofascension.net/mormon.htmlhttp://www.exmormon.org website and discusion board created for former and doubting members and investigators. Contact me - Elderjoseph@hotmail.co.ukBYU link for the Millenial Star Scans,http://contentdm.lib.byu.eduClick on BROWSE, then choose Millenial Star from the drop down bar.Click on VOL 3, then click on August 1842 and then click on Apostacy. It may take a little while to open, then scoll down from page 73 to page 74 and read the deceptive statement for yourself.Joseph Smith's wives on the official LDS family search website,http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/AF/individual_record.asp?recid=7762167
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MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - And so.. Jesus came to restore that higher law. And after the last Apostle was killed.. the authority to act in the name of God was taken from the earth. Joseph Smith was then called to restore all that had been lost and changed by man during the 1800 years man was left to himself without direct revelation from God. So what you think is change.. it is not. It is just making that which was known once before.. known again. And then adding more to it.
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - One of the main reasons the Jews could not accept the Christ was because of how their religion was tied into their economy. The sacrifices in the temple is what paid the Jewish leaders and lined their pockets with money. It was more for business and power they seeked. This man called Jesus would ruin it all if the people believed on him. He was already changing things that affected them. It was man in the first place who changed the nature of God. They were not happy with what he was.
ElderJoseph Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Yes and so is the Mormon religion tied to the economy with its prime occupation of buying businesses and assetts,including a new $2 billion shopping mall while throwing a few crumbs of dollars to the hungry and naked for maximum PR to keep the Tithing slaves 'in the spirit'.
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - And so they needed a more mystical God that was greater than the Gods of Rome and Greece. It wasn't until 325 AD that the Roman emperor Constantine ordered the Bishops of the Church to meet and discuss the nature of God and come to a consensus because up until that time.. there were so many different views. And so.. 300 out of 1800 vote on what they thought the nature of God was. And the vote was not 300 out of 300. But the idea of the trinity won out.
ElderJoseph Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - "And after the last Apostle was killed.. the authority to act in the name of God was taken from the earth."I thought you believed that the Apostle John never died? So the authority was never taken away.
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - LOL Elder: Coments with no backbone again. Just negative comments. You can't compare a world wide Church with one city called Jerusalem. The Mormon Church is not your one town church on the corner. It is world wide and it takes money to run a church world wide. You think the electricity is free? You think the land is free? You think the materials for buildings are free? Get a grip!
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - EJ: The priesthood has always been on the earth. But the Authority.. or Keys to the preisthood was lost. One can have the power to baptize.. but not the authority. Those in the positions of authority guide and direct how that power is to be used.Look at your Bible. There were those who had the authority to baptize people.. but not the authority to give the gift of the Holy Ghost. They called the Apostles to do that.
ElderJoseph Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Did you mean to say ?You think TV stations are free?You think Shopping malls are free?You think assett and wealth buiding is free.You think owning property and land Investments and Company Shares is free.You think owning Media companies like Bonneville came free?
ElderJoseph Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - This is just Mormon made up nonsense just like The Jehovahs Witnesses Watchtower Crap!For goodness sake, pull yourself together. You have no more authority than a Jehovahs Witness or a Moonie or a Scientologist. The only Authority you have is over those who are stupid and naive enough to allow themselves to be abused by it.
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - EJ: It is funny how people hate the fact that Mormon people are tithed and pay for ALL this stuff.. and so when the Church invests its money.. and makes more that somehow.. that is a crime? A world wide Church needs TV stations, Media companies.. etc. to pay for the ongoing bills. Get real!
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Made up nonsense eh? Read your bible Elder. Or did you quit that? God is a God of organization.. not chaos. The religions of today don't know their head from their tail. They can't teach the same doctrines, they can't agree on the same scripture meanings.. how many Christian Broadcasting Networks does the world need? As many as there are different views of Christianity I guess eh? Talk about a waste of money. And all of these have Authority? LOL Give me a break.
ElderJoseph Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Its not funny masquerading as a church intent on helping others when your leadership is actualy running a Business which serves its loyal followers at the top with Mammon and access to Business opportunities, Your church gives less than 1% to the needy and yet it gives maximum exposure to that.Why not tell us the extent of Corporate Investing and land deals and who is being paid what, including GA's? This is not headed by Jesus Christ,It's man made.
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - I suppose you would like the Church to raise its money like the other Christian churches do.. Bingo? Raffels? Begging for it one the TV.. coming up with different things they can sell you if you would only sew $300 a month? Passing around the plate every Sunday? If you don't think that these other Churchs also invest.. you are crazy. This is the real world! And just who is so rich that they don't know what to do with their money? Which GA has 5 homes? NONE!
ElderJoseph Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Neither does your church know its head from its tail. Over 140 years of teaching that blacks are less valiant and now no one knows if its the case or not.The Mormon Sect is split approx 200 ways already and its only been going 180 years approx. It's worser than Christianity's divisions. You have Mormon polygamists running loose getting revelation for themselves as taught by Joseph Smith.Warren Jeffs follows Joseph Smith.
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - My church is my Church. The others split off from it.
ElderJoseph Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - You have confirmed my point that Mormonism is NO DIFFERENT from any other 'man made' church or worldly organisation.How do you know what homes GA's have anyway? Noone will Tell you that. You will never know for sure except the perception the church tries to create about its leaders. They all look very well looked after to me, parading amongst very expensive suroundings.Celebrities they are.
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Elder: What would you have the General Authorities dress like? You are being so superficial. You worry about things that no one should worry about. Spend more time spreading the Gospel rather than trying to refute it.Man will be judge by the books they have received and how they live it. Muslims will be judged by the teachings of the Koran. Christians will be judged by the writings of the Bible. Others will be judged by their writings. I would worry more about you than others
ElderJoseph Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - MrNirom What should I worry about? I never claimed that God told me women have to marry me for salvation or else face HELL Like Brigham Young did. The Guy was a disgrace, a Megalomaniac Tyrant. I didn't tell people that God said they should hand me their wives like Joseph Smith did. This is nothing to do with any restoration of anything. I don't believe that any loving God ordered any of it either. And how is building a $2 billion shopping mall spreading the gospel?
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Elder: Worry about wasting your time. That too is a "sin". You talk about polygamy.. which is no longer practiced. You speak of Brigham.. he is dead. No one hands their wife to anyone anymore.. So.. all that you speak of is worthless and dead works. Why waste you time? And what you believe or don't believe is irrelevant when it comes to the truth. Building a shopping mall is what you call ROI. Return on investment. More money means more missionaries world wide!
ElderJoseph Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - How telling the truth about Mormonism a sin? Lying is a sin and thats what Mormonism's leaders did. How is truth to be found in deception and lying and misleading of investigators? The truth is only Mormon Truth can be found amongst all this.Saving lives and feeding the hungry is a better return on investment rather than sending out Kids wasting their time and talents while people go hungry and naked.I was told this is Jesus Christs only church?Its not what it claims to be.
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Elder: The problem is that you are lying about Mormonism. You get many parts wrong. You misunderstand intentions, doctrines, comments, teachings and interpretations.If we are to believe the pursercuters of a religion and a people then we are also to believe the Leaders of the Jewish nation. They said that Jesus Christ himself was the devil.. that he had spoken blasphamy and heresy. They screamed that at the top of their lungs. Cruicify him! Cruicify him! So we should now listen to U?
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Why are you not out there feeding the poor? When was the last time you did? You should be getting another job and give give give. Not only are you Judging.. you are condemning. And that Joseph.. is something you will one day regret. What goes around.. comes around. Mark my words!
ElderJoseph Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - Mr Nirom I do not advertise and dupe people into paying me Tithes claiming to help the poor and instead spend it on Business, Finance, Property, shopping Malls , Land , Shares , Bonds and any other worldly enriching assetts.The LDS church on the other hand is guilty of this. Yes I condemn organisations like the LDS Corp which do this kind of thing.How much of LDS church Income actually goes to the poor? When was the last time the church spent $2 billion on the poor instead of a mall?
ElderJoseph Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - "Building a shopping mall is what you call ROI. Return on investment. More money means more missionaries world wide!"Missionaries pay their own way. The church buys property and spends the income on MORE property and not funding missionaries.Members personally fund missionaries and not the CHURCH who make money and reinvest for even more money all the time. Net Asset Value and wealth is more important than Charity for the LDS inc.
MrNirom Says:
Nov 22, 2008 - GiftoAll: Joseph did not change the nature of God. He only restored the truths that were lost and added truths to a people who could understand. You are right. Jesus did not come to this earth for the same purpose as we did. He came to enlighten us and restore a higher truth. Because the people did not want to hear the voice of God themselves.. and wanted Moses to be the one.. God gave them the lesser law... or the Law of Moses.