Added: Dec 3, 2008
From: directedchaos
Duration: 2:38
Morality is the last bastion that fundamentalists cling to; it is the one realm that science can say nothing about. But what morals does the Bible really promote? It's been quoted to justify numerous evils, including The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Salem Witch Trials, and the modern Middle East disaster. Fundamentalists such as Phelp's Westboro Baptist Church have even claimed that God struck America through 9/11 and Katrina.No doubt the Muslim terrorists agree.The fact is that the Bible is just a tortured relic from intolerant warlike cultures long since passed. It was written in a time when war was a seasonal activity. When slaughtering the babies of your enemies, taking their virgin daughters as your sex slaves, and punishing minor grievances with death was the law.God's law.Did God really have a change of heart in the New Testament, or did the society that invented It grow up?Retire the holiness of the Bible, and instead recognize it as just a historic text written by a religious culture in the same vein as all other religious texts that you don't believe in.----Shamelessly hacked from:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqBxdU-5SAgOriginally from Dawkin's Root of all Evil:Part 1:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4321574955310561251Part 2:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8210522903232438954
Channel: Education
Tags: atheism bible dawkins delusion evolution god ham ken morality religion science the
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04gtstang Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - The problem is that all these verses were addressed to the Israelites ONLY back in the day. These laws were to keep Israel pure. When you commit a serious crime...you die. Keeps the crime rate down....and it would be good if we adopted that. Crime rate would go to <1% and we would all be better off. Also this guy acts like evolution, big bang, no flood are proven...when they are just theory's. How does an unproven theory MAKE something else false? LOL
directedchaos Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - "The problem is that all these verses were addressed to the Israelites ONLY back in the day."I see. So what is good can change from day to day, millennium to millennium? Do you really not see how flawed that argument is? If it's wrong today, it was wrong 3 thousand years ago. Slavery, genocide and rape are all wrong and yet "God" ordered them committed!"When you commit a serious crime...you die"Such as having a Daddy who lives in a "sinful" city? BABIES were killed.Rewatch the video.
directedchaos Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - "Also this guy" This guy being Ken Ham, a very famous (and not yet criminally-tainted) Christian fundamentalist -- of the young earth extremist variety, and president of Answers in Genesis."acts like evolution, big bang, no flood are proven..."1) He claims IF they are true, THEN people would have no reason to trust the Bible on morality. This is THE reason fundamentalists fight science.2) Nothing in science is proven. Old earth and evolution are just pretty sure bets -- 99.9% consensus.
directedchaos Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - The big message to take from this movie is that modern science disagrees with the Bible, and modern morality disagrees with the Bible. If you seriously aren't repulsed by "God" ordering mass genocide -- including of little children, slavery, rape, and male chauvinism then you truly are an animal.
04gtstang Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - No its not flawed. You must remember that these babies carried a blood line that must be stopped. God had them kill SPECIFIC blood lines LONG ago. How would you like to grow up and find out your family died in war? Would make conflict of interest. Bible does not approve of "rape"...there are laws in place that say what to do with people who do such acts, it does not support it. Any women taken had to be married first. Would they rather die or marry the men?
04gtstang Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - This is your opinion. If people like you were around a few hundred years ago we wouldnt even have America because you would be worried about hurting someone elses feelings, or innocent death and not go to war. Funny how "modern morality" is the end all of "good"....you realize that you get your morality from the Bible right? It gave the 10 commandments and established morality thousands of years ago way before you came about.
OmarKRavenhurst Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - "You must remember that these babies carried a blood line that must be stopped."There are two HUGE problems with this idea.1) The ends do NOT justify the means! Say we want to end retardation -- is it then ok to kill babies that are retarded?2) The sins of the father should NOT be visited on the sons! THE "LITTLE ONES" COMMITTED NO CRIMES.On rape:"Would they rather die or marry the men?"How can you possibly construe that to be consensual?Wake up. Read the description on the right.
OmarKRavenhurst Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - "Funny how "modern morality" is the end all of "good""It's a lot better than ancient times when women were traded like property, men were glorified for their head counts (kills in battle), and genocide/rape were part of the warlike culture.2nd samuel 11:1"In the spring, the time when kings go out to battle"War was SEASONAL.Yes, modern (SECULAR) morality is much better. No atheist bombers (suicide or otherwise) killing in the name of God.
directedchaos Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - OmarKRavenhurst is a dummy act, since most Christians (VenomFangX, zkeuker, et al) blocked me."you realize that you get your morality from the Bible right?"The point is we can do better now. Yes there were some good things, like SOME of the 10 commandments -- no killing/stealing, duh. But 1-4 are garbage you'd expect from a needy kid.A kid that says it's OK for HIS people to kill/rape everyone else. A kid that DESTROYS the WHOLE EARTH when it doesn't work the way he wants.
davincih82 Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - so you think it's ok to kill some babies because their parents were sinners?..are you fucking outta your goddamn mind?..if that's the case, let's blow ourselves up with bombs..we all have evil ancestors..you're fucking delusional dude..
silentbob36 Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - "It gave the 10 commandments and established morality thousands of years ago way before you came about"Sooo... what exactly kept the isrealites from slaughtering each other until there was nobody left before the ten commandments?
wynd2007 Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - From what I observed, religion has the pernicious twisted habit of appropriating all human advances and strides for itself.Wether it is morality, ethics, scientific discoveries and so much more, it always tries to take credit for something it contributed nothing to.Ironically, religion has always been a very potent retardant to these very advances and discoveries they want to call their own. God of the gaps anyone?
upercalm Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - science is theory not all solid. in the bible we find advanced medical, astronomy and scientific discoveries. in revelation we read how the prophet john describes a nuclear bombs efect and how disease can spread and how to prevent it, which saved many lives durning the black plague in europe. also 32k women nice
directedchaos Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - "in the bible we find advanced medical, astronomy and scientific discoveries."There are obvious contradictions with modern science. A handful of scientific *facts* (so you don't toss the retarded "just a theory" misnomer):1) Shape of the Earth2) Age of the Earth3) Evolution of life4) Evolution of language5) Description of lifeNot to mention the plethora of miracles, from impossible human breeding to straight up sci-fi bananzas.The Bible is a religious book, nowhere NEAR scientific.
04gtstang Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - How do you know the ends do not justify the means? Maybe those kids would have grown up and formed terrorist nations, which would later lead to the killing of millions. So killing a few thousand then does not justify the means in that case either? Dont try and play God and act like you know whats best when you have such a limited understanding. At least keep your mind open while your "assuming" God is real.
04gtstang Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - Read my above reply. You dont know who those kids would have grown up to be. You may not be here if they were left alive.if your so worried about innocent babies dying, you guys need to get out there and protest abortions. they are dying everyday because of their parents "sins"..but I dont see any of you saying anything about that. And just for grins, babys have been recorded living @ just 22 weeks...so lets keep it 22 and older abortions since they are capable of being born at that point.
upercalm Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - A handful of scientific facts? can you explain why do monkeys still exist? why havent they evolved? and if they are our ancestors why havent they showed up on thanksgiving?
directedchaos Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - "A handful of scientific facts?"Yes, there is scientific consensus on the age of the earth, evolution, etc. -- at least to a sufficient degree for this conversation. That is to say, the only controversies are in the minute details."why do monkeys still exist?"Same reason amoeba still exist: their phenotypes are viable..."why havent they evolved?"They have been. They're just more stable than the group that branched into modern man.
directedchaos Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - "if they are our ancestors why havent they showed up on thanksgiving? U embaras thim
directedchaos Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - "How do you know the ends do not justify the means? [...] Dont try and play God and act like you know whats best"Blind obedience much? Perhaps The Pope, who has a direct hotline to god, "knows" best then, and "knows" that the ends of the second coming of Christ justify the means of killing all the jews? If he told you to shoot your jew neighbor, would you?Or a horrible dictator who controls your every movement? Would you kill for him? A united world would be more peaceful!
directedchaos Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - In other words, the ends do NOT justify the means, and regardless of God's "divine" plan, he *MUST* be held accountable for ORDERING GENOCIDE, ORDERING RAPE, ORDERING CHILD SLAUGHTER, etc.Those are wrong, period.
directedchaos Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - Of course, there's one option you're overlooking. An option that get's "God" off the moral hook, *and* preserves your sense of morality! You can decry the GENOCIDE, RAPE and CHILD SLAUGHTER of the bible WITHOUT decrying God!Simply realize that the Bible was written by MEN. By a WARLIKE, RELIGIOUS culture THOUSANDS of years ago, just like the Aztecs, Egyptians, Greeks, Vikings, etc. etc.The ISRAELITE were the GENOCIDAL, RAPING BABY KILLERS. "God" was their EXCUSE.Is "God" YOUR excuse?
directedchaos Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - "if your so worried about innocent babies dying"1) Why the IF? Are you trying to say you're NOT worried? Like it's something to be mocked?Yes, yes you are. You'd have killed babies right beside them."you guys need to [...] protest abortions"2) Babies != fetuses. A single cell has no sentience. A small collection of cells has no sentience. You have to go through several stages, at least a couple months IMO, for the central nervous system to sufficiently develop to begin drawing the line
themur235 Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - You're fighting a losing battle that doesn't need to be fought yet. Society WILL evolve beyond the need for a transcendant morality, your words do not and cannot hasten the process. Spread knowledge and fight ignorance, but never directly; you can't teach someone who is unwilling to learn. Of course, I may be too optimistic.
tramar003 Says:
Dec 3, 2008 - Great video I agree totally. To me the bible is the greastest fiction book ever written.